Video Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association
W-L record format
What do people think of articles using something like 16-1, which shows the 16-1 record along with a tooltip that it means 16 wins and 1 loss? I only noticed it now at 2016-17 Golden State Warriors season. While I can see a non-sports person not knowing what it means, it seems that having hover text every time any record is mentioned in an article is overkill (and seeing those squiggly underlines everywhere somehow irks me). Any thoughts?--Bagumba (talk) 05:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- Specify what "16-1" means in the first time it is encountered. Like "The Warriors won their fifth NBA Championship, setting the best postseason record in NBA history by going winning 16 games with just 1 defeat" Then at the next time it appears "The Warriors broke over 20 NBA records on their way to equaling their 2014-15 regular-season record of 67-15, their second most wins in franchise history." I also suggest anywhere W-L appears it should be specified that it's a W-L record like "regular-season record of 67-15" as above, or having the winning percentage in parenthesis like "The Warriors set the best playoff record in NBA history by going 16-1 (.941)". Tooltips are not useful in mobile devices; I suggest avoiding that. -HTD 15:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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Al Horford infobox image
A user added this image to Al Horford a day or so ago. It is undoubtedly a very poor quality image. I reverted the change citing that it was not an improvement. The user has then reverted my revert with no explanation. I then revert again once again claiming that it is a poor quality image and to not revert out of the blue without a counter-argument or reasoning. The user has then reverted my revert again with no explanation - classic stubborn behaviour by users who do not care for edit summaries. An experienced editor such as myself knows to not revert again as this is counter productive and blah blah blah 3RR. Does anyone else agree with my rationale and feel they would like to back me up? The Hawks image, while a few years old now, is the best quality frontal image of Horford we have. Thanks in advance. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, reminds me of that article from The Ringer. If we must have a Celtics image, there's also this one. It's not the most flattering pose, but at least it's an action shot, and it's sharp. Zagalejo^^^ 14:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Teams' season pages - "Key dates" section
Does anyone else think that "Key dates" sections should not include intricate, unsourced and editorial additions as can be seen at 2017-18 Phoenix Suns season#Key dates? This is not the only problem as the main editor is doing the same in other basketball-related pages. - Sabbatino (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- These types of lists are always better as prose, but it's ok if they start out as lists. However, left in a list form, they are liable to have WP:TRIVIA added. Can you explain further what you mean by "editorial additions"?--Bagumba (talk) 15:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- After taking a better look it looks like the whole page has a lot of trivial and unsourced statements. In addition, most of the additions give undue weight. There are also many ideas, which should be avoided per WP:EDITORIAL. - Sabbatino (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- Pinging AGreatPhoenixSunsFan for their input.--Bagumba (talk) 15:28, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Honestly, I just think it comes down to the information that feels relevant for one reason or another. I admit some of the scoring numbers for players like Eric Bledsoe (at the time), Jared Dudley, and Devin Booker near the end of the season was a bit of a reflection back on some of the older Wikipedia pages for each NBA team at the time. However, for some things that are more immediate to look into, such as coaching or front office changes within the season, certain in-season drama going on with some teams (i.e., trade demands, players wanting coaches fired, etc.), and awards earned by certain people leaving the season (just to name a few examples in mind), they can certainly be brought up a bit more often. In fact, I've seen certain pages like the 2014-15 Chicago Bulls season where the pages went into quite an amount of detail despite not being a champion squad. Meanwhile, I've seen pages with greater lack of detail by comparison for some genuinely good teams like the 2017-18 Houston Rockets season that didn't go into better detail with their season than they honestly deserve, let alone for teams like the Sacramento Kings in question. I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe if we're less transparent and more honest about wanting to genuinely fill up these teams' season pages as best as we possibly can in ways that don't feel like some of us were lazy after the halfway mark sometimes (or admittedly get too carried away with some things sometimes), we could probably be more consistent with how we can fill these season pages up moving forward from here on out. - AGreatPhoenixSunsFan (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- @AGreatPhoenixSunsFan: Information regarding coaching, front office, players or any other personnel changes is good, but they need to be sourced. However, information like "Former Suns assistant coach Igor Koko?kov gets a phone interview with the team while he was helping the Utah Jazz in the first round of the playoffs against the Oklahoma City Thunder." is original research at best and does not belong in Wikipedia. That also includes reports about the supposed firings, hirings or any other events regarding personnel changes. In addition, this project has always had a rule that we wait for official announcement from the team itself about the personnel changes and do not just blindly assume something just because someone named Wojnarowski or similar writes it in his Twitter account. Even more so, please mind the MOS:N'T, WP:DATEFORMAT, WP:NPOV, WP:FORMAL and other guidelines as this is not some kind of personal blog. Just because other pages use bad grammar or format it does not mean that all other pages should follow the same pattern. - Sabbatino (talk) 13:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough on those aspects. However, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "bad grammar." I would think most of my grammar's just fine. I mean, sure I may use contractions here, but I figured those would be seconds faster to put down sometimes. Unless you mean something else, in which case, enlighten me. I insist in that regard. - AGreatPhoenixSunsFan (talk) 00:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- The "bad grammar" part was not directed at any user. As for the use of contractions, it is your as the user duty to not use them in the pages (talk pages do not count). It might be faster, but then other users have to cleanup after people who use them. - Sabbatino (talk) 09:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough on those aspects. However, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "bad grammar." I would think most of my grammar's just fine. I mean, sure I may use contractions here, but I figured those would be seconds faster to put down sometimes. Unless you mean something else, in which case, enlighten me. I insist in that regard. - AGreatPhoenixSunsFan (talk) 00:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- @AGreatPhoenixSunsFan: Information regarding coaching, front office, players or any other personnel changes is good, but they need to be sourced. However, information like "Former Suns assistant coach Igor Koko?kov gets a phone interview with the team while he was helping the Utah Jazz in the first round of the playoffs against the Oklahoma City Thunder." is original research at best and does not belong in Wikipedia. That also includes reports about the supposed firings, hirings or any other events regarding personnel changes. In addition, this project has always had a rule that we wait for official announcement from the team itself about the personnel changes and do not just blindly assume something just because someone named Wojnarowski or similar writes it in his Twitter account. Even more so, please mind the MOS:N'T, WP:DATEFORMAT, WP:NPOV, WP:FORMAL and other guidelines as this is not some kind of personal blog. Just because other pages use bad grammar or format it does not mean that all other pages should follow the same pattern. - Sabbatino (talk) 13:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
- Honestly, I just think it comes down to the information that feels relevant for one reason or another. I admit some of the scoring numbers for players like Eric Bledsoe (at the time), Jared Dudley, and Devin Booker near the end of the season was a bit of a reflection back on some of the older Wikipedia pages for each NBA team at the time. However, for some things that are more immediate to look into, such as coaching or front office changes within the season, certain in-season drama going on with some teams (i.e., trade demands, players wanting coaches fired, etc.), and awards earned by certain people leaving the season (just to name a few examples in mind), they can certainly be brought up a bit more often. In fact, I've seen certain pages like the 2014-15 Chicago Bulls season where the pages went into quite an amount of detail despite not being a champion squad. Meanwhile, I've seen pages with greater lack of detail by comparison for some genuinely good teams like the 2017-18 Houston Rockets season that didn't go into better detail with their season than they honestly deserve, let alone for teams like the Sacramento Kings in question. I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe if we're less transparent and more honest about wanting to genuinely fill up these teams' season pages as best as we possibly can in ways that don't feel like some of us were lazy after the halfway mark sometimes (or admittedly get too carried away with some things sometimes), we could probably be more consistent with how we can fill these season pages up moving forward from here on out. - AGreatPhoenixSunsFan (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Pinging AGreatPhoenixSunsFan for their input.--Bagumba (talk) 15:28, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- After taking a better look it looks like the whole page has a lot of trivial and unsourced statements. In addition, most of the additions give undue weight. There are also many ideas, which should be avoided per WP:EDITORIAL. - Sabbatino (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Is Baron Davis still active
Baron Davis, who's now 39, last played in the D-League in 2015-16. An IP has changed him from "former player" twice without explanation. Is it reasonable to think he's still looking to play professionaly? He's been listed as "former" as far back as January 2018.--Bagumba (talk) 15:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- We should list him as retired. There are many players who do not announce anything retirement-related and just silently fade away. - Sabbatino (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Possible new content to LeBron James template
I am proposing to add Trainwreck (film) and The Wall (game show) to his template. I believe this can be done. Robert4565 (talk) 21:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
- His roles don't seem major enough to bypass WP:FILMNAV.--Bagumba (talk) 22:38, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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